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I have no need for your left nut. But trust me, you don't want to bet it on this.I have no need for your left nut. But trust me, you don't want to bet it on this.
Ok. And to the new guy, my advice now is that Axel's advice trumps my advice. I'm going to bed.
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Ok. And to the new guy, my advice now is that Axel's advice trumps my advice. I'm going to bed.
I'll second this. I believe that Axel has some experience of Bovada and I have lots of experience of other online BJ.There's only very minimal suspicions of rng BJ behaving as I described. I have heard 1 guy suggest it of Bovada. Far far too little evidence to warn of them or any other place. There was one place discussed on here which had very clearly dubious games. That was a dodgy off shore unregulated gaff. Bovada is more mainstream and more trusted.
As with any online behaviour, especially gambling, it's caveat emptor. This site should not need to warn of that.
I appreciate Bobartop's apology and Rio could have been more graceful in accepting it.
Guys, call it even and please keep it courteous without any sniping from anyone.
Thanks.
I don't think the 10 post limit is enforced. But either way, please respect the spirit of it. Don't waste your quota squabbling.
1. Check under which type of control they are licensed. I would trust a US or EU based site more than a Caribbean or Russian one. And even then. I wouldn't trust a Maltese or Cypriot site!
2. Cheating must be rewarding for the site for the risk to be acceptable. To be rewarding it must bias the house edge strongly, and/or rig a large number of games. So, if there is not strong statistical evidence, it is reasonable to admit they don't cheat.
3. On l'y by inspecting the software can you prove without doubt that a bias is programmed. Statistical proof does not exist, just statistical significance — that is, remnants of doubt.
4. Evidence on one player session is ridiculously insignificant in statistical terms. Considering the number of sessions in the world, it is perfectly expected that somewhere, sometime, someone runs into a ‘very bad luck' trip. Compare with the lotto. For me as a player, it is extremely improbable that I win. For the lottery operator, it is almost certain that ‘somebody' wins.
Similarly, your session may be excessively improbable from the individual point of view, it is also very normal that it happens to someone among the millions of sessions.
I won the lotto. You ‘won' the bad luck trip.
5. As a consequence, in order to spot cheating, one should get access to session results from a sufficiently large sample of sessions, from many different players. I doubt this is accessible, unless you get a court order.
How could we check if an online gambling operator cheats?
1. Check under which type of control they are licensed. I would trust a US or EU based site more than a Caribbean or Russian one. And even then. I wouldn't trust a Maltese or Cypriot site!
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Russia is out of the question. US is not really a significant player yet. I would trust some Caribbean more than EU. Depends. A lot are out of Costa Rica, pretty wide open, some good, some crooks. Malta, Cyprus, depends. Software provider means something. Microgaming backs up clients that go bad. (Goodfellows Casino comes to mind). Aside from Wizard of Odds, I would let Casinomeister be my guide. Long history, and Bryan Bailey (Casinomeister) has a lot of integrity. In fact, if a casino does not have the ok from Casinomeister, I'd avoid it like the plague.
although now i just hit like almost 3 blackjacks in a row
How could we check if an online gambling operator cheats?
1. Check under which type of control they are licensed. I would trust a US or EU based site more than a Caribbean or Russian one. And even then. I wouldn't trust a Maltese or Cypriot site!
2. How to cheat new slot machines. Cheating must be rewarding for the site for the risk to be acceptable. To be rewarding it must bias the house edge strongly, and/or rig a large number of games. So, if there is not strong statistical evidence, it is reasonable to admit they don't cheat.
3. On l'y by inspecting the software can you prove without doubt that a bias is programmed. Statistical proof does not exist, just statistical significance — that is, remnants of doubt.
4. Evidence on one player session is ridiculously insignificant in statistical terms. Considering the number of sessions in the world, it is perfectly expected that somewhere, sometime, someone runs into a ‘very bad luck' trip. Compare with the lotto. For me as a player, it is extremely improbable that I win. For the lottery operator, it is almost certain that ‘somebody' wins.
Similarly, your session may be excessively improbable from the individual point of view, it is also very normal that it happens to someone among the millions of sessions.
I won the lotto. You ‘won' the bad luck trip.
5. As a consequence, in order to spot cheating, one should get access to session results from a sufficiently large sample of sessions, from many different players. I doubt this is accessible, unless you get a court order.
Thank you for your detailed post kubikulann.
Regarding your first point options are very limited for US players and many respected EU online casinos are not available for us to play leaving us with A) US casino which unless you're in that state you can't play there and B) the whole loosely regulated/ unregulated Carribean online casino market. Not a lot of options for us.
Regarding point #4 I understand this and that may very well be true. Which is why the whole purpose of this thread was to try and get feedback. If there are other players out there who had similar experiences then my 'very bad luck trip' that happened within 24 hours of signing up isn't just an isolated incident but a potential concerning trend that others should be wary about.
EDIT: It seems I've reached the maximum post limit again and can't make another post for 30 days! arghgh. Can a mod please waive this requirement for me. I want to respect the rules for this forum and not create a Rio3. Thank you in advance.
Thank you for your detailed post kubikulann.
Regarding your first point options are very limited for US players and many respected EU online casinos are not available for us to play leaving us with A) US casino which unless you're in that state you can't play there and B) the whole loosely regulated/ unregulated Carribean online casino market. Not a lot of options for us.
Regarding point #4 I understand this and that may very well be true. Which is why the whole purpose of this thread was to try and get feedback. If there are other players out there who had similar experiences then my 'very bad luck trip' that happened within 24 hours of signing up isn't just an isolated incident but a potential concerning trend that others should be wary about.
EDIT: It seems I've reached the maximum post limit again and can't make another post for 30 days! arghgh. Can a mod please waive this requirement for me. I want to respect the rules for this forum and not create a Rio3. Thank you in advance.
There is a good reason for the post limit. Cool off for a bit! I think you can post again tomorrow.
But, that's probably the wrong question. We're deliberately counting from the start of the bad streak. What if we started in the -15th round? Then the question would be, what are the odds of winning one round and losing 14? Or if we started at the beginning of your session, what are the odds of having a session that bad? Probably not as bad as 1 in 21,188. My math isn't good enough to calculate it. I could simulate it, but I'm busy with some other projects at the moment.
By the way, I'm pretty sure I've lost 14 rounds in a row in live games.
By the way, I'm pretty sure I've lost 14 rounds in a row in live games.
Ofcourse. And when it happened you didn.t accuse the dealer or expect every player at the table to immediately echo your accusations.Practice Classic Blackjack Free Bovada
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OnceDear may very well be right in saying that Bovada may very well be cheating. I may very well bet my left nut that they're not.
I have no need for your left nut. But trust me, you don't want to bet it on this.I have no need for your left nut. But trust me, you don't want to bet it on this.
Ok. And to the new guy, my advice now is that Axel's advice trumps my advice. I'm going to bed.
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Ok. How do i edit a video on my macbook air. And to the new guy, my advice now is that Axel's advice trumps my advice. I'm going to bed.
I'll second this. I believe that Axel has some experience of Bovada and I have lots of experience of other online BJ.There's only very minimal suspicions of rng BJ behaving as I described. I have heard 1 guy suggest it of Bovada. Far far too little evidence to warn of them or any other place. There was one place discussed on here which had very clearly dubious games. That was a dodgy off shore unregulated gaff. Bovada is more mainstream and more trusted.
As with any online behaviour, especially gambling, it's caveat emptor. This site should not need to warn of that.
I appreciate Bobartop's apology and Rio could have been more graceful in accepting it.
Guys, call it even and please keep it courteous without any sniping from anyone.
Thanks.
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I don't think the 10 post limit is enforced. But either way, please respect the spirit of it. Don't waste your quota squabbling.Bovada Poker Cheats
1. Check under which type of control they are licensed. I would trust a US or EU based site more than a Caribbean or Russian one. And even then. I wouldn't trust a Maltese or Cypriot site!
2. Cheating must be rewarding for the site for the risk to be acceptable. To be rewarding it must bias the house edge strongly, and/or rig a large number of games. So, if there is not strong statistical evidence, it is reasonable to admit they don't cheat.
3. On l'y by inspecting the software can you prove without doubt that a bias is programmed. Statistical proof does not exist, just statistical significance — that is, remnants of doubt.
4. Evidence on one player session is ridiculously insignificant in statistical terms. Considering the number of sessions in the world, it is perfectly expected that somewhere, sometime, someone runs into a ‘very bad luck' trip. Compare with the lotto. For me as a player, it is extremely improbable that I win. For the lottery operator, it is almost certain that ‘somebody' wins.
Similarly, your session may be excessively improbable from the individual point of view, it is also very normal that it happens to someone among the millions of sessions.
I won the lotto. You ‘won' the bad luck trip.
5. As a consequence, in order to spot cheating, one should get access to session results from a sufficiently large sample of sessions, from many different players. I doubt this is accessible, unless you get a court order.
How could we check if an online gambling operator cheats?
1. Check under which type of control they are licensed. I would trust a US or EU based site more than a Caribbean or Russian one. And even then. I wouldn't trust a Maltese or Cypriot site!
Russia is out of the question. US is not really a significant player yet. I would trust some Caribbean more than EU. Depends. A lot are out of Costa Rica, pretty wide open, some good, some crooks. Malta, Cyprus, depends. Software provider means something. Microgaming backs up clients that go bad. (Goodfellows Casino comes to mind). Aside from Wizard of Odds, I would let Casinomeister be my guide. Long history, and Bryan Bailey (Casinomeister) has a lot of integrity. In fact, if a casino does not have the ok from Casinomeister, I'd avoid it like the plague.
although now i just hit like almost 3 blackjacks in a row
How could we check if an online gambling operator cheats?
1. Check under which type of control they are licensed. I would trust a US or EU based site more than a Caribbean or Russian one. And even then. I wouldn't trust a Maltese or Cypriot site!
2. Cheating must be rewarding for the site for the risk to be acceptable. To be rewarding it must bias the house edge strongly, and/or rig a large number of games. So, if there is not strong statistical evidence, it is reasonable to admit they don't cheat.
3. On l'y by inspecting the software can you prove without doubt that a bias is programmed. Statistical proof does not exist, just statistical significance — that is, remnants of doubt.
4. Evidence on one player session is ridiculously insignificant in statistical terms. Considering the number of sessions in the world, it is perfectly expected that somewhere, sometime, someone runs into a ‘very bad luck' trip. Compare with the lotto. For me as a player, it is extremely improbable that I win. For the lottery operator, it is almost certain that ‘somebody' wins.
Similarly, your session may be excessively improbable from the individual point of view, it is also very normal that it happens to someone among the millions of sessions.
I won the lotto. You ‘won' the bad luck trip.
5. As a consequence, in order to spot cheating, one should get access to session results from a sufficiently large sample of sessions, from many different players. I doubt this is accessible, unless you get a court order.
Thank you for your detailed post kubikulann.
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Regarding your first point options are very limited for US players and many respected EU online casinos are not available for us to play leaving us with A) US casino which unless you're in that state you can't play there and B) the whole loosely regulated/ unregulated Carribean online casino market. Not a lot of options for us.
Regarding point #4 I understand this and that may very well be true. Which is why the whole purpose of this thread was to try and get feedback. If there are other players out there who had similar experiences then my 'very bad luck trip' that happened within 24 hours of signing up isn't just an isolated incident but a potential concerning trend that others should be wary about.
EDIT: It seems I've reached the maximum post limit again and can't make another post for 30 days! arghgh. Can a mod please waive this requirement for me. I want to respect the rules for this forum and not create a Rio3. Thank you in advance.
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Regarding your first point options are very limited for US players and many respected EU online casinos are not available for us to play leaving us with A) US casino which unless you're in that state you can't play there and B) the whole loosely regulated/ unregulated Carribean online casino market. Not a lot of options for us.
Regarding point #4 I understand this and that may very well be true. Which is why the whole purpose of this thread was to try and get feedback. If there are other players out there who had similar experiences then my 'very bad luck trip' that happened within 24 hours of signing up isn't just an isolated incident but a potential concerning trend that others should be wary about.
EDIT: It seems I've reached the maximum post limit again and can't make another post for 30 days! arghgh. Can a mod please waive this requirement for me. I want to respect the rules for this forum and not create a Rio3. Thank you in advance.
There is a good reason for the post limit. Cool off for a bit! I think you can post again tomorrow.
But, that's probably the wrong question. We're deliberately counting from the start of the bad streak. What if we started in the -15th round? Then the question would be, what are the odds of winning one round and losing 14? Or if we started at the beginning of your session, what are the odds of having a session that bad? Probably not as bad as 1 in 21,188. My math isn't good enough to calculate it. I could simulate it, but I'm busy with some other projects at the moment.
By the way, I'm pretty sure I've lost 14 rounds in a row in live games.
By the way, I'm pretty sure I've lost 14 rounds in a row in live games.
Ofcourse. And when it happened you didn.t accuse the dealer or expect every player at the table to immediately echo your accusations.- Page 5 of 6
